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Friday, March 20, 2026

Level 3+; Subjunctive [78] dependent uses [8] concessive clauses (3) etsī, etiamsī, tametsī

Some brief notes (at this stage) on other conjunctions that introduce concessive clauses.

[1] etsī, etiamsī, tametsī

These conjunctions are concessive in meaning, but their choice of mood follows the same pattern as conditional clauses. Conditional clauses are an extensive topic and so, for the moment, the focus should simply be on what these three conjunctions mean and how mood affects their use.

[i] With the indicative

The indicative is used when the speaker presents the concessive clause as a fact, something accepted as true and asserts that it does not affect the action. It is most often translated as ‘although’ or 'even if':.

Etsī id ipsum scīre cupiō, … (Cicero)

  • Although I want to know one thing …

Nam ista vēritās, etiamsī iūcunda nōn est, mihi tamen grāta est (Cicero)

  • For that truth, even if it is not pleasant, is nevertheless pleasing to me.

Etsī abest mātūritās, tamen nōn est inūtile (Cicero)

  • Though ripeness of age is wantingyet it is not useless

Tametsī iactat ille quidem illud suum arbitrium … (Cicero)

  • Although he does indeed boast of that judgment of his ...

Tametsī hīs novīs amīcitiīs implicātī sumus (Cicero)

  • Although we are [ = I am] involved in these new friendships

quam tibi, etiamsī nōn dēsīderās, tamen mittam cito (Cicero)

  • and I will send it to you very soon, whether you want it or not [literally: even if you do not want (it)].

Etsī mōns Cevennā iter impediēbat, tamen ad fīnēs Arvernōrum pervēnit (Caesar).

  • Although the Cevennes were blocking the route of the march, nevertheless (Caesar) arrived at the frontier of the Arverni.

Itaque, etsī nē anteā quidem dubitāvī, … (Cicero)

  • And so, even if I had no doubt [ = did not even doubt] before …

Etsī numquam dubium fuit, tamen perspiciō … (Cicero)

  • Although it has never been doubtful, I nevertheless perceive …

Etsī nōndum stipulātiōnēs lēgeram ... (Cicero)

  • Even if I had not yet read the agreements …

Etsī incrēdibilī et singulārī calamitāte adflīctus sum, … (Cicero)

  • Though I have been crushed by an incredible and unparalleled misfortune …

[2] With the subjunctive

The subjunctive is used when the speaker introduces a hypothetical or imagined concession and asserts that it does not affect the outcome expressed in the main clause. It is most often translated as ‘even if’.

Etiamsī nōn adiuvēs, haec facere possim.

  • Even if you were not to helpI would (nevertheless) be able to do this.

This is a hypothetical concessive statement.

Quārē ita parātus est, ut, etiamsī vincere nōn possit, ... (Cicero)

  • And therefore he is so equipped that, even if he should not be able to win …

Pol etsī taceās, palam id quidem est (Plautus)

  • By Pollux, even if you were to keep silent, that is indeed common knowledge.

Etsī illī improbī sint atque aliter nōbīs faciant quam aequomst (Plautus)

  • Even if those men are / should be dishonest and (would) act toward us otherwise than is fair, …

...etiamsī vērum esset... (Cicero)

  • Even if it were true…

etiamsī ā lībrāriō admonitus esset (Cicero)

  • even if he had been advised by the clerk

[3] Note: Latin often uses different verb forms to show how the speaker views a situation (as a fact or as something uncertain or imagined). As has been mentioned many times in previous discussions on the subjunctive, English does not always show this clearly, and the difference often has to be understood from the wording rather than from the verb alone.

In the examples above, however, you can see a subtle difference which is similarly expressed in English:

[i] Although you’re going / even if you go, you won’t meet him.

Here the speaker presents the action of going as fact or more likely.

[ii] Even if you went / were to go, you wouldn’t meet him.

Here the speaker presents the action of going as hypothetical or less likely.

It is worth bearing that distinction in mind when the topic of conditional clauses in Latin is dealt with in depth.

Level 3+; Subjunctive [77] dependent uses [8] concessive clauses (2) quamquam; quamvīs [ii] practice

Complete the quotations with the verbs listed below each exercise.

Remember: quamquam + the indicative; quamvīs + subjunctive.

Note also the different ways in which both quamvīs and quamquam can be translated to convey the concessive idea.

[1]

[i] Although you may be without your mind, without your senses, …

Quamvīs enim sine mente, sine sēnsū __________ … (Cicero)

[ii] He will speak against me in such a way, however ingenious he may be …

Ita contrā mē ille dicet, quamvīs __________ ingeniōsus (Cicero)

[iii] Although I love that woman …

Quamquam ego istanc __________ (Plautus)

[iv] Therefore, those who listen to him, however incapable of speaking they themselves are …

Itaque eum quī audiunt, quamvīs ipsī īnfantēs __________, … (Cicero)

[v] Though I’m an impotent old man …

Quamquam cantherius __________, … (Plautus)

[vi] Although all virtues are equal and alike …

Quamquam __________ omnēs virtūtēs aequālēs et parēs (Cicero)

[vii] Although I may be made of wood, …

Quamvīs __________ ligneus, … (Priapea)

[viii] Although I have nothing to do [ = there is no business for me] with that fellow …

Quamquam cum istōc mihi negōtī nihil __________ (Plautus)

[ix] Although you are angry with me …

Quamquam tū īrāta __________ mihi (Plautus)

[x] And by Hercules, although I love [ = we love] our Gnaeus* … (Cicero); *Pompey

Et mehercule, quamvīs __________ Gnaeum nostrum, … (Cicero)

amēmus; amō; es; est; sim; sint; sīs; sit; sum; sunt

[2]

[i] This place here at our house, although you may arrive suddenly, is always available.

Locus hīc apud nōs, quamvīs subitō __________, semper liber est (Plautus)

[ii] He is by no means rich to me, although he possesses many things.

Nēquāquam mihi dīves est, quamvīs multa __________ (Rutilius)

[iii] Although the matter does not please me …

Quamvīs rēs mihi nōn __________, … (Cicero)

[iv] Although the bright girl may call back a thousand times to the traveling one …

Quamvīs candida mīliēs puella euntem __________ (Catullus)

[v] Although you understand nothing, nevertheless nothing can be enjoyable for you

Quamvīs nihil __________, tamen nihil tibi potest esse iūcundum (Cicero)

[vi] Although / however much those domestic enemies do not want this …

Quamvīs hoc istī hostēs domesticī __________, … (Cicero)

[vii] Amiable as he may have been in keeping with his friends …

Quamvīs cōmis in amīcīs tuendīs __________, … (Cicero)

[viii] Although we gave / have given strict instructions to the envoys …

Quamvīs sevēra lēgātīs mandāta __________, … (Cicero)

dederīmus; fuerit; nōlint; placeat; possideat; revocet; sapiās; veniās

[3]

[i] Although that will be unpleasant for me for three days

Quamquam istud mihi __________ molestum trīduom (Plautus)

[ii] I’ll now go into this harlot’s house nomatter if she is in a rage with me

Nunc ībō intrō ad hanc meretrīcem quamquam __________ mihi (Plautus)

[iii] Although, unwillingly, I will do without you.

Quamquam invīta tē __________ (Plautus)

[iv] Now I’ve got to be a good woman unwillingly, even if I don’t want to be.

Nunc mihi bonae necessumst [necessum est] esse ingrātiīs quamquam esse __________ (Plautus)

[v] Although my master had ordered me to stay here, it’s settled: I’d rather look for trouble with profit.

Quamquam hic manēre mē erus sēsē __________; certum est, malam rem potius quaeram cum lucrō (Plautus)

[vi] Being a slave has not been very troublesome, though:

Quamquam nōn multum __________ molesta servitus (Plautus)

[vii] This man did his duty, when he confessed the truth to you, although / much as I wanted to hide my nobility carefully.

Fēcit officium hic suom, cum tibi est cōnfessus vērum, quamquam __________ sēdulō meam nōbilitātem occultāre (Plautus)

[viii] Even though you are devoted Vulcan, do you want us to burn our house down, all for your dinner or your pay? 

Quamquam Volcānō __________, cēnaene causā aut tuae mercēdis grātiā nōs nostrās aedīs postulās combūrere? (Plautus)

carēbō; erit; fuit; iusserat; nōlō; studēs; suscēnset; voluī

____________________

[1]

[i] sīs

[ii] sit

[iii] amō

[iv] sint

[v] sum

[vi] sunt

[vii] sim

[viii] est

[ix] es

[x] amēmus

[2]

[i] veniās

[ii] possideat

[iii] placeat

[iv] revocet

[v] sapiās

[vi] nōlint

[vii] fuerit

[viii] dederīmus

[3]

[i] erit

[ii] suscēnset

[iii] carēbō

[iv] nōlō

[v] iusserat

[vi] fuit

[vii] voluī

[viii] studēs

Level 3+; Subjunctive [76] dependent uses [8] concessive clauses (1) quamquam; quamvīs [i]; licet; ut

In addition to cum with the subjunctive, Latin has a range of other conjunctions that can introduce concessive clauses. Some of these conjunctions are followed by [1] the indicative of the verb, and some by [2] the subjunctive:

[1] with the indicative

quamquam: although; and yet

Examples

In the quotations below, note also that tamen (nevertheless; still) is frequently used to reinforce the concessive idea. Translators may not specifically render tamen, since it adds nothing to the meaning beyond emphasis, but it is included here.

Quamquam iam tē ipsum exspectō [present indicative], tamen istī puerō, … dā ponderōsam aliquam epistulam (Cicero)

  • Although I am now waiting for you yourself, nevertheless give this man of mine a weighty letter.

Quae quamquam exigua sunt [present indicative], tamen, quoniam placet, exspectēmus (Cicero)

  • And although these things are trivial, nevertheless, since it pleases you, we will wait.

Quamquam mihi ista omnia iam addicta vastitātī videntur [present indicative; passive] (Cicero)  

  • Although all these now seem doomed to destruction.

Quamquam nēmō putābat [imperfect indicative] propter Clōdiānum negōtium mē illī amīcum esse dēbēre, tamen tantus fuit amor … (Cicero) 

  • Although no one thought that, because of the Clodian affair, I ought to be friendly to him, nevertheless my affection was so great …

Multās ūnō tempore accēpī epistulās tuās; quae mihi, quamquam recentiōra audiēbam [imperfect indicative] ex iīs, quī ad mē veniēbant, tamen erant iūcunda (Cicero) 

  • I’ve received many of your letters at the same time, and although I’ve been hearing more recent news from those who’ve been coming to me, still they were delightful.

Quamquam vidēbātur sē nōn graviter habēre [imperfect indicative; passive], tamen sum sollicitus (Cicero)

  • Although it seemed that he was not seriously ill, nevertheless / still I am anxious.

Eō igitur mittēs ...quamquam ipse iam iamque aderō [future indicative] (Cicero)

  • You will send (it / the letter) there, although I myself shall be there almost directly.

Quamquam ad mē scrīpsit [perfect indicative] iam Rhodō Posīdōnius … (Cicero)

  • Although Posidonius has already written to me from Rhodes …

Maximē autem mē angit ratiō reliquōrum meōrum. Quae quamquam explicāta sunt [perfect indicative; passive], tamen, … conturbor… (Cicero)

  • But the arranging of my balances worries me the most, and although they have been put straight, I am still anxious …

Quamquam ille pāstor Īdaeus Menelāum sōlum contempserat [pluperfect indicative] … (Cicero)

  • Although that shepherd of Ida had slighted Menelaus alone …

Fuit apud mē Lamia … epistulamque ad mē attulit missam sibi ā Caesare. Quae quamquam ante data erat [pluperfect indicative; passive] quam illae Diocharīna … tamen plane declarabat …  

  • (Cicero) Lamia was with me … and he brought me a letter sent to him from Caesar; and although it had been sent earlier than those of Diochares, it still plainly asserted …

[2] with the subjunctive

The word quamvīs has two different uses, and so you need to distinguish them. First, make a comparison between [i] and [ii] below:

[i] quīvīsquaevīsquidvīs (quodvīs) is an indefinite adjective or pronoun meaning ‘whoever; whatever; whichever’ or ‘any you please’ and was discussed here:

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2025/09/081225-level-3-indefinites-18-vis-libet.html

dīcere hīc quidvīs licet (Plautus)

  • Now one can talk freely [ = say whatever one wants]

ō Cupīdō, quantus es. nam tū quemvīs cōnfīdentem facile tuīs factīs facis (Plautus)

  • O Cupid, how great you are! For with your actions you easily embolden whomever you want

Note this last example; quamvīs is the accusative singular of the indefinite adjective conveying indifference of choice:

Sī bovem aut aliam quamvīs quadrupedem serpēns momorderit … (Cato)

  • If a snake has bitten an ox or any other four-footed animal.

This is not the same as quamvīs acting as a conjunction which is indeclinable and means ‘although’; it is followed by a verb in the subjunctive:

[ii] quamvīs + subjunctive

Quamvīs prūdēns ad cōgitandum sīs [present subjunctive], … (Cicero) 

  • Although you are careful in your judgement …

Examples

Dē Drūsī hortīs, quamvīs ab iīs abhorreās [present subjunctive], … tamen eō cōnfugiam (Cicero) 

  • As for the gardens of Drusus, although you shrink from them … I will nevertheless take refuge there.

… quae quamvīs contemnātur [present subjunctive; passive] ab eīs… (Cicero)

  • …and although it is despised by them …

Quamvīs nōn cūrārem [imperfect subjunctive], quid in Hispāniā fieret … (Cicero) 

  • Although I did not care what would happen in Spain …

Quamvīs enim tū magna et mihi iūcunda scrīpserīs [perfect subjunctive] dē D. Brūtī adventū … (Cicero)

  • For although you have written great and pleasing things to me about the arrival of D. Brutus …

Quamvīs magna ad Postumum ab eō pecūnia pervēnisset [pluperfect subjunctive]  … (Cicero)

  • Although a large sum of money had come to Postumus from him.

[3] The ‘default’ translation of quamquam and quamvīs is ‘although’, but the idea may be translated in other ways:

Sed sint quamvīs bonī, nōn sunt meliōrēs quam nōs (Cicero)

  • But although they are loyal / However loyal they are, they are not better than us [ = me].

Quamvīs scelerātī illī fuissent (Cicero)

literally: although those men had been / might have been guilty

However guilty those men might have been

Context and style will determine the most appropriate rendering.

Quamvīs sit magna, tamen eam vincēs (Cicero)

  • Although it is / may be great, … / However great it may be … / Let it be as great as you choose (note here the inherent sense of quamvīs) … you will, nevertheless, conquer it.

4] licet; ut

Both licet and ut have more than one function depending upon context.

(1) licet has two functions:

[i] impersonal verb: it is permitted (followed by the dative and the infinitive)

25.09.26: Level 3+ (review); impersonal verbs [4] necessity, obligation and related ideas [i]

nunc licet mihi [dative] līberē quidvīs loquī (Plautus)

Now I'm permitted to speak freely about anything

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2026/04/250926-level-3-review-impersonal-verbs_9.html

[ii] a conjunction introducing a concessive clause and used with the subjunctive; this develops from the verbal idea ‘it is granted that…’

Improbitās, licet adversāriō molesta sit, iūdicī invīsa est (Quintilian)

Wickedness, although it may be troublesome to one's opponent, is hateful to the judge

licet … undique omnēs mihi minae et terrōrēs perīculaque impendeant omnia (Cicero)

although threats, terrors, and every danger should hang over me on every side, …

Vestra meherculēs vīta, licet suprā mīlle annōs exeat, in artissimum contrahētur (Seneca the Younger)

Your life, by Hercules, even if it should extend beyond a thousand years, will be reduced to the narrowest limits.

(2) ut

ut has many functions, for example:

[i] like; as; just as

Faciam ut volēs. | I shall do as you want.

[ii] how?; in what manner?

Ut valēs? | How are you doing?

[iii] a conjunction used with the subjunctive introducing a clause purpose or result:

Mīlitēs pugnant ¦ ut patriam dēfendant. │ The soldiers fight in order to / so that they may defend the homeland.

https://adckl.blogspot.com/search/label/subjunctive%3A%20purpose

Tam stultus est ¦  ut hoc semper dīcat. │ He is so foolish ¦ that he always says this.

https://adckl.blogspot.com/search/label/subjunctive%3A%20result

[iv] Here, it can also act as a conjunction introducing a concessive clause used with the subjunctive:

Quod ut ita sit, … (Cicero)

Even though that may be so …

Ut desint virēs, tamen est laudanda voluntās. (Ovid)

Although strength may be lacking, nevertheless the will is to be praised.